When should I take a fight?

Mhm, welcome back to another Challenger Jungle Guide with your host here at Vambient. We're going to just kind of talk about a few concepts in this game. We're going to play through a live game and kind of showcase them in a high elo solo queue, basically. But yeah, we're going to kind of discuss a lot of different topics. Okay, there is a very large spider in my face right now.

What is going on there? What is happening here? Literally making spider webs. Okay. I have to play.

I cannot deal with that right now. Okay, well, we will have to play. It is what it is. We're going to just talk about when to fight with your team. How do you want to So, let's say you guys got the first two dragons.

When do you want to fight with your team? So, how should you do go about that? I'm going to try to show it off here. You'll notice kind of in my games I'm not really the first one to start the fight a lot of the time because then I risk my life pretty much and then try to try not to do that too much, but we are going to try to showcase how to utilize your support or top lane or in this case us being the only melee champion, we got to be very very focused on getting ourselves ahead and so that we can you know, make sure to tank for the team and make sure to kind of body block any abilities that kind of come on to them. You know, definitely just play with the team as much as possible.

They do have Hecarim, so going to be jungling against Hecarim today. Hecarim is a very fast clear, but Rek'Sai typically has a decent match up into it. Unless Hecarim gets very out of hand, which can happen at times. So, we're just going to be looking to continue on our path here. The spider is a little bit distracting me cuz it is I don't even know what it's doing.

Spinning a web right now. It is what it is. So we're going to just continue on our full clear so we want always do top start into full clear to bot. Definitely, there is some sort of I guess we can link two ideas together. I was meaning to do a video on this but I'm not too sure if I not too sure if it's going to be too kind of far out there a little bit because it's kind of about knocking bored wall juggling, right?

Cuz essentially, you're playing the same game every single game. Essentially, you're going to hit your camps, you're going to try to, you know, scale up, you're going to try to get the objectives. It's hard to really follow this like I think part of why this game plan is so effective is because it's kind of difficult to do really. If you think about it, it's a lot of just repetition. You're basically doing the same game over and over.

So it's sometimes easy to get bored with this game plan and then try to, you know, innovate or just try to do other things or just, you know, kind of like as you can see, Hecarim tried to ping his team to come but they didn't come. And so we get double scuttle. But the thing is like we're doing a full clear into scuttle. Okay, it is live so I don't really know if I he kind of gave it to me, honestly. So, it is what it is.

Nice little challenger recall here. And then we're going to head on over to the dragon here. So, as you know, after full clear, you always do a after double scuttle, you always do a full clear, kill all these camps, go into dragon. But yeah, it's kind of hard to stay focused sometimes when especially when jungling, you want to you know, you feel like you know, you're pretty strong. Like I got a kill, I'm accelerated.

I want to just go across the map, gank everywhere, right? But honestly, that a lot of the time messes you up. You tend to, you know, maybe get a little overzealous and then you try to, you know, go attack people and potentially even die once. In season 16, if you die even a single time, the game looks a lot different all of a sudden. It's going to be really tough to come back.

So, I'm going to just ignore mid because it's not that many minions and I think grabbing the camps into a dragon is much better than going mid here. So, I will have to be doing that here. It is good. But yeah, he wanted to cover I you have to basically do this game plan in order to stay ahead, stay relevant in the game. But yeah, so it's kind of tough sometimes to stay disciplined and kind of stick to your game plan and kind of just you know, just continue slamming the camps, continue playing only after the camps are done, you know, only after the camps are done here can I actually, you know, kind of venture out into the world here and you know, start playing on the map a little bit.

So, let me just do this real quick. Actually, no. I think it's good, but He killed the wave, it's fine. All right, we're going to ping that to go drag. So, of you know, if there is a free kill that presents itself, then we will go we'll go ahead and take it.

Don't reject free kills if they come. Okay, I don't know why Senna is pushing bot. He should be with me. But it is what it is, right? It is what it is.

We're going to have to Okay. Probably have to back out there. He's probably full dead. Okay, it is all good though. It is all good.

Notice how we're warding out, by the way, guys? Like, notice how we're utilizing our wards, trying to kind of dodge out the enemy players here. Trying to stay very on top of things. We do see that Hecarim is here, right? So, we're not going to really fight him after dragon.

We're just going to look for the reset. Hard reset. He can't get any camps anyway, right? Because we cleared our camps earlier. He's going to desperately look around and then try to find our camps, but if they're already clear, then nothing he can do, right?

So, there's no counterplay if we do things in this manner. So, okay, we're just checking here just in case he's, you know, curious about our camps, but honestly, it's looking pretty good, right? So, overall, the beeping in the back. Live on a busy street, after all. I know we have a couple of, new viewers here, so we are growing pretty quickly as a channel cuz I'm just kind of sharing this little bit unique play style, a little bit effective.

I might have to mute this entire section, actually. I will think about it. But yeah, we'll continue trying to explain the concepts. It is what it is. We're going to cover top here.

We're not going to full clear in this sequence just because I think top lane is actually, no, we don't need to cover. We're fine. A lot of the time, actually, if you gank for these like situations, he's looking to reset. He's looking to get out. So, the reason we went here first is because Hecarim could potentially since he jungles really fast and he also moves really fast, he could potentially counter.

So, I don't want him to do that, but yeah, we're going to just go back on our sequence. People get back really fast in lanes, by the way, so these days, season 16, because of the new gauge system or because of the new home guard system, people actually get back really quickly. So, even if you kill them one time, it's not going to really snowball the game unless they're playing very, very poorly. So, you can typically expect the game to still be very close. The team with the dragon soul will likely have a very big advantage.

I don't know if you've noticed yet, but that's kind of what I've been playing in. But yeah, these are going to be Okay, I noticed they're a little bit pushed up. There is a faylight, so you can see that they can see us in the faylight. So, we will have to just back off here and just reset. So, I think that is going to be a good play.

I'm not really too sure why they're coming at me here. Oh, wow. They're Okay, so they're I don't I guess they wanted to die. It's okay. Cuz we were actually we had a really good spot here.

I don't want to dive here right now, so not going to dive. But yeah, we had a really good spot and we were actually looking for it and I think they were also looking for it, but I have such a I mean, I cleared all my camps and then I have a temple lead as well there, so okay. I mean, it's not planned, so they do just run it down a little bit. I don't really know. I guess yeah, sometimes they do run it down if you go in.

But notice how we're only playing after our camps are cleared. We're not playing before that. It's actually it is very important to distinguish what we're doing from like normal jungle, right? Like normally, I don't know. Like you've probably seen this a lot where you see Hecarim like is down CS.

He definitely didn't full clear his camps beforehand. He definitely just randomly went and tried to do something but in reaction to what I was doing but that's typically not what you want to do, right? Like he could just ping his team back, leave the situation, and then come to fight a different situation where they can look to win, you know, win it better. But instead, he pulled his entire team over. They lose the fight and then I mean, is it even good if they win it?

I mean, not even, right? It's not even that good even if they win the fight because his camps are still up. So, here I'm going to take a reset right before dragon. I don't really want to play on the map when I don't have full everything. So, it is about 30 seconds before dragon spawn.

I'm probably going to have to Yeah, I'm going to have to reset now. And then I'm going to play for the dragon. So, after second dragon, you can look to group up a little bit more. I'm going to be a little bit late here cuz I was a little bit being a little slow, but it is what it is. We're going to have to accept this.

And then we're going to come immediately straight back to the dragon here. I'm going to try to ping him back here a little bit just to kind of control the situation. It is good. He respected the ping. He ran away.

That is good even though he had sent alt. I don't want him to die. So, then you just want to make sure he pings. If you want, you can ping twice. You don't really have to just ping once, but right here, we're going to drag them over to the dragon here, and then we're going to make sure that we kind of have a good fight here.

So, let's see here. Mhm. Okay, we're going to back out here a little bit. Good respectful flashes by the teammates. And then we're going to just go back to onto the dragon here.

Drag him on over here. You know, say drag I say drag a lot these days, honestly. But yeah. We're basically just dragging them over to the fight and then making sure that Oh, wait. It's happening.

No way. I'm trolling, dude. I didn't get it. I'm trolling. That's bad.

Okay. That's bad. Okay, wait. I thought he couldn't come in, but then I think he actually did, so I mean I don't like my center like being on the opposite side there, but it's fine. It I think center just played a little It's fine.

It's fine. It's okay. I shouldn't have lost it. I was that that was me. Okay, so >> [laughter] >> Okay, so second drag just went down.

We do have to collect our camps and then afterwards we'll play on heavy on the map. If you see your teammates trying to aggress like this without being if you see them trying to like aggress sometimes we do lose that actually. Then you have to just ping them back and try to control them. I don't think he can get those, so I think he's fine. So, it should be okay.

But yeah, like this is going to be the case sometimes where they get a very lucky play on you. Guess like I mean I should ping more. I don't even know how he was able to get in. I guess we were just a little bit not grouped, so I think that was it. I guess I don't even know.

Like I'm kind of surprised, honestly. I think I was with Victor here and then we also had Jinx, but center just didn't come. So, he was kind of trapped on the bottom side. Anyway, that is okay. It happens sometimes.

You will have to just kind of play out the situation a little bit and then just see. I guess next time I will kill Akali first and then go for it, but it's kind of hard to do. All right, we will see what's going on. But yeah, it it's very easy to kind of see like, "Oh, there's a lot of plays happening." If you see something like on the mini map like people like kind of clashing, then you can just ping back. Like I don't really even have to like I just know that you know, "Hey, Jinx isn't I'm not there with Jinx." And then why is Jinx top, by the way?

Okay, we're going to reset and then we have a full minute to play on the map. We have a full minute to just kind of play on the map. Assert our dominance. We can just do whatever we want at this point. We have a full minute to do whatever we want.

It's important to reset, grab full items, and then go. Okay. So, he's there. I'm going to I don't know why Jinx is top, actually. This is so weird.

Okay, so normally ADCs do go mid, but if your ADC is top lane, that is something that doesn't usually happen, but it is okay. I think he just got stuck there with the wave after he went to collect it and then he couldn't really move after that. So, we're going to just look to play around with the team a little bit. You can I wouldn't hit this tower, but you can support your team in hitting this tower. I wouldn't do this.

I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't do this. Ping them off. But yeah, this is where you kind of become the director a little bit. You just kind of, you know, make the calls, make the plays, kind of you know, make sure the team is not going to run it down on your watch, at least.

I'm I don't know if I like that, actually. No. Maybe we can. I think it looks fine. Oh, he burnt to death.

Oh, it doesn't look fine anymore. I'm going to pop the cone for him. Our rotations are bad this game. I will say like Yeah, Jinx got stuck top and then he went back bot, but we needed him here. I guess we Yeah, Rift Herald's always bad.

It's a bad move, I guess. They were able to all react in time. It's okay. We're going to reset. We're going to still play for camps into bot.

So, going to reset here. I think it was just Maybe it was not It's not a good call. But yeah, the most important thing is just to save your own life. If bad calls will happen. I think that was a bad call by me.

So, probably should not have done that. Cuz we can't actually like we can't be hitting mid tower and then hitting Dude, what? Oh, no. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay, you know what? You know what? It's not bad.

It's not bad. And we do this. And my Rumble join us here. Join us. Join us.

Yeah, ping for help. Ping for help. And then wait for him to come. A little bit. Just a little bit as we full clear.

And then we will be able to play on the map. Oh, no. He's got CC'd. Oh, no. I don't want to drop my camp, so I'm not going to do that.

Just Yeah, he still has flash. He's fine. >> Just kill him. We're waiting. We're waiting.

We already won the fight. We're just waiting to start it now. All right. We're going to fight. We're going to fight.

We're going to fight. We're going to fight. We're going to fight. I don't know how he got like so far away from us, by the way. Not too sure why this happened.

Completely fine, though. Now you just have to play out the fight. Honestly, it is what it is. Oh. Oh my god.

You know >> [laughter] >> Don't just ex Okay, you know what? I never ever claimed that I was really good mechanically. I never claimed this. All right. So, you can see I'm making so many mechanical misplays.

It's actually insane. Like There's no way. Challenger, by the way. Oh my god. Literally no way this is happening.

>> [laughter] >> No, I can't believe it. No. No. No. Don't copy that, guys.

I just flash W nothing. Actually insane. Okay. Well, So You know, it's fine. It's fine.

You know, the issue becomes like in top challenger where you're pushing ranks and they play super mechanically perfectly, like the enemy junglers, and they also have really good macro and understanding of the game. So, then you're just like you know, honestly, it's really hard. But, yeah. Anyway, yeah. So, this is what we're doing, like macro-wise.

Try to ignore the mechanic, like the mechanical like misplays. You know, it will happen but try to focus on the macro. Kind of like the moves, kind of like the calls we're making. Except the rift herald is still bait. You've seen it firsthand here.

We've read about that in the PDF, link down below. Free of charge. Yeah, like rift herald is still bait. Like everybody is around the rift herald and then we kind of just are you know, we just are in a very tough situation. You see all these like back things by the way?

Like this is really important to do for like any kind of I guess any game really. Your team will want to aggress at certain times where we're not really looking to aggress. So then you kind of have to keep that in mind. Like you don't really want them to go all in at a time where you're looking to peel back. So you don't ever want a split call.

You want to avoid a split call as much as you possibly can. Also Are they They're doing it, right? No, they're not. No, they're not. No, they're not.

They're not. Just keep a ward on Baron. This is why also like you should probably carry wards rather than Well, I mean I carry wards because I know that it's very game-ending if support is not warding properly, right? If you don't have any vision then you can't really play on the map. But yeah, I like to just kind of shadow my winning bot lane or if I have one or I like to kind of shadow a solo laner that is winning.

I would never play with Victor ever here. Like not even to protect his life. No, no chance. No chance. Like I see my Wait, why are we doing this?

Oh, he's Okay, he's winning. Okay. Caster curse. Okay. But yeah, like I want to play with my Rumble.

I want to play with my bot lane. Victor was zero and four and he won that. Okay, maybe two dragon gap, right? Two dragons. He starts winning.

It is what it is. But yeah. Oh my god, I can't get over it. Like I just Oh wait, hold on. What's happening here?

He got caught. He got caught. Okay, so he got caught. It is completely fine. We don't have to mind it too much.

We just have to defend for a little bit and then we should be good. I think he has all, right? Good. He used everything. We are appreciative of him.

Ooh. Okay, he doesn't have Does he have all? No, right? No, he has it. He has it.

He has it. Okay, so we're good. Just try to stay locked in and try to assess the situation kind of overall and then see what you can get. See it's not good to over greed. It's not good to die, right?

I think we kind of understand this. Like even if you're trading one for one, it's not really too worth it for you cuz you're not getting as strong as if you were to just farm. The only exception is if you already took everything on the map and then you're just looking to Oh, wait. You smite again. This guy actually used smite again.

Okay. I mean, he has no smite now. We're just kind of seeing what's happening on the map and then we're just trying to play accordingly. >> [snorts] >> Okay, I got the knock up. I think he dies.

Okay, don't want to get bombed. I actually walked into it. I actually walked into it still. This actually is insane, by the way. >> [laughter] >> You cannot make this up.

What is happening? Oh my god. Okay, so we do walk into the bombs and we do slow ourselves and stun ourselves. Planned, maybe? Okay.

Oh, we Okay, you know what? It's fine. You know, at a certain point if you get all the objectives, you do start winning. So it's going to be tough for him. Okay.

We'll take this one first. We don't lose anything, so I'm just going to smite first and I'm going to It's fine, I guess. There's no There's nobody here to even contest this, so I'm not going to smite this one and then just going to go and I want to take dragon. I want to back off of this. Yeah, so you do have to kind of stay on top of the game and try to shot call your team a little bit better.

I think Yeah, I think this is kind of the what's missing in a lot of game play is like the communication aspect of the game. Like let's say your teammates are trying to like chase Clyde into tower, like and you just want the dragon, like you're going to have to be the one to just be there and try to help your team out while they're making like such bad calls, right? Like Oh, wow, he's melted. Okay, so I think he's dead too, honestly. Okay.

Okay, well, I mean, they kind of just lost the game, so I guess it's Wait, what's he doing? Doesn't matter. All right. I'm kind of two tanky to care about him though. Okay.

I'm going to try to keep vision, try to group up. So, here because we have Baron buff, we're not going to look to full clear anymore until the next time Oh, wait. What's happening? I'm just going to die. It's fine.

I don't want to burn anything. I think it's fine. Yeah, I think it's okay. I was like, "Hmm, there's no dragon up. I kind of want to keep flash for drag or any other play like close to drag." I think it's a good call.

It should be fine. Cuz we're getting collapsed a little bit, so can back out. It'll be fine. So, the team is backing off. I think it's fine.

I think it's fine. I got a little bit caught there, but I think it's okay. This is why it's also pretty dangerous to go all in at the tower. But yeah, it's completely fine. I think I just I don't know.

I took too much damage for something. I don't really even recall. I think Yeah, I'm not even sure. I guess it was just Vayne, maybe with the crits or something. I'm kind of confused, honestly.

But it is what it is. It's okay. We're just going to, you know, this is life. So, pretty much just going to play it out and then see what happens. It's we're basically just waiting for the next objective.

So, when it's waiting time, you want to ping your team back and then control the pace of the game a little bit and then just look together afterwards. I think he just soloed the blue. Okay. It's fine. It's fine.

Jungler jungle roll gets more XP from camps and stuff. So yeah, they're doing stuff, but it's completely fine. We can't really make it. Let's say they were closer. I could potentially consider joining.

So yeah, it's fine like right now. I think we're just going to look to push down. Because we got that pick, we're going to be okay to push. We don't want to over commit on something that would be dangerous though. So I'm going to like if you see your team kind of running it down, you have to ping them back.

You have to ping them back. Like there's no It's like you have to say something. If you see something, say something, right? Like you got to ping them back. Like if we're hitting the tower and we're getting like bombed and stuff, we have to just keep it safe.

Like we can always push again later. Like look at this. Look at this. Like they're completely under tower. They're completely safe.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Zilean didn't alt. Okay, that's fine.

I'm going to block and I'm going to disengage. We're not diving yet. We can't be diving yet. So even now you have to show restraint. You have to play very very well.

We're one of the backliners. If they get something if the ranged people get something, it's fine, but Okay. I think it's maybe fine. Nope, I'm going to back up. All right, looks good.

So you do want to just protect. Notice how I'm just protecting my backliners as they deal damage. This is what the jungle like kind of role is these days. It's just kind of protecting your team as they do stuff. Enabling your team to do stuff.

I think like a lot of the time you're not going to be able to find Oh, we didn't even have Rumble there by the way. He just was AFK. But yeah, I think this is kind of how we want to play it. So, if you can control your team, definitely do it. So, it is early season still.

I mean, season just reset, so everybody is regrinding. Thanks for coming to my guide. Like, comment, subscribe. Let me know if you want to see anything else, any topics. I tried to gear this one towards staying disciplined and trying to not trying to, I guess, not play too aggressive.

Trying to control your team a little bit better. I think I may have showed it. I Yeah. We will see. All right.

Thanks, guys, and I will catch you guys in the next. See you soon.